Showing posts with label Nelson Mandela. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nelson Mandela. Show all posts

Monday, October 14, 2024

Did you know Donald Trump helped Nelson Mandela tour the United States?

 


Trump helped Nelson Mandela tour the United States



A later photo of Mandela with Trump and Melania.

AoSHQ: Morning Report 10.14.24

Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Noah Feldman declares: Nelson Mandela Sold Out Black South Africans

Noah Feldman is of course being intentionally provocative with this article to get attention:
Was Mandela right to sacrifice justice for the chance of a richer and more democratic South Africa? The question of his heroic status depends on the answer. Looking at the career of Yasser Arafat, who consistently made a different choice, inclines one to think that the answer is yes. A politician shouldn't act on what is absolutely fair, but what is pragmatically most likely to succeed in the real world.
Yet, as we mourn Mandela, it is also worth remembering that, like almost all constitutions, South Africa's founding pact was born in the sin of compromise. Compromise is sin because people don't get what they deserve. But that sin is necessary, because after it's committed, people are better off than they would be without it.
F.W. de Klerk and Nelson Mandela
Without buying into the hyperbolic title, I agree with the analysis in a broad sense. There was an agreement to not engage in reparations as part of the agreement of ending Apartheid.  That required compromise.  And had the black majority engaged in typical kleptocracy as other African countries had done, there would have been a violent civil war, flight of capitol, and most South Africans would have been far worse off.  And as we know, Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians are known for never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. And that has certainly not worked out well for the Palestinians.  
Noah Feldman: Full of himself?
Noah Feldman also describes how the Tea Party will die. We will see about that. I do not agree with his analysis (the problem is not the Tea Party but the Establishment Republicans), but there it is.

But beyond that, is it me or is Noah Feldman a schmuck?  Noah Feldman had a public falling out with his conservative Jewish school by marrying an Korean woman.


That sort of thing happens--it is not racist (to Koreans or any other group) but preservation of Jewish identity. If you are going to marry a non-Jew, if you are Conservative Jew you better make sure they convert and adopt the principals of the faith or face the consequences. Or adopt their faith and recognize that you are no longer Jewish (in the eyes of Observant Jews).  Of course, he also later got divorced.  

President Obama at Nelson Mandela's Memorial Service


Where is Reggie Love when you need him?

Given the Rule 5 opportunities in South Africa, I expect the President to be on a very short leash.
Wombat's Slow Turning
Wombat: Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name...
Wombat: Selfiegate an international embarrassment...
TOM: Barack Obama, Nelson Mandela, and the Schizophrenic Criminal Sign Language Interpreter who did not know sign language... DECEMBER 10, 2013

South African Women Rule 5

With the passing of South African Former President Nelson Mandela, it only makes sense to do a Rule 5 post from that country.  If beautiful women keep a man young, it is no surprise Nelson Mandela made it to 95. Chip S. started me off with this article.  I added a few more (I am a giver that way).









Charlize, a Rule 5 Favorite











Slow Turning Rule 5

Update:
For edutcher




Monday, December 9, 2013

Al Sharpton and Chris Matthews beclown themselves over comparing Barack Obama to Nelson Mandela and MSNBC says the term "Obamacare" is racist

Anything to change the topic from the on going car wreck that is Obamacare...



While not in this clip, Chris Matthews gushes on afterwards on how profound this insight is.

First of all, Barack Obama is nothing like Nelson Mandela (other than the fact both had African fathers and both are politicians). Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for leading an armed revolution against the South African government, plead guilt to those crimes, and then spent 27 years in prison on a life sentence. When he was released, he ran for office and won.  Rather than taking revenge against his opponents, Mandela reached out to them to include them in the government and after serving one term stepped down as President.

Barack Obama was a child raised in reasonably upper middle class circumstances, prep schools and then an Ivy League education, who then went on to college and a relatively rapid rise up to being President of the United States. To suggest that opposition to Obamacare is somehow the opposition not putting patriotism above politics is delusional and insulting. Obamacare is a disaster. It is bad policy. But apparently now even invoking the word Obamacare (which Barack Obama himself fully embraced until the Affordable Care Act system started to unravel on its own) is racist:
HARRIS-PERRY: “I want to talk today about a controversial word. It’s a word that has been with us for years. And like it or not, it’s indelibly printed in the pages of American history. A word that was originally intended as a derogatory term, meant to shame and divide and demean. The word was conceived of by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man, to render him inferior and unequal and diminish his accomplishments.
Chuck Todd said President Obama made a huge mistake in embracing the term Obamcare. Even though last month the Obama Administration declared it was not abandoning the Obamacare label, things have apparently changed to warrant a different tack by Democrats.

So now MSNBC is trying to say calling it Obamacare was all a racist scheme by Republicans to undermine the President.

"We are at war with Eastasia. We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Update
Wombat notes in Santa Clara County you cannot disparage Obamacare with "less than positive" remarks in the work force (too distressing to your co-workers, apparently)

More on the passing of Nelson Mandela and his legacy

Bob Belvedere reports on why Nelson Mandela should not be canonized as a secular saint.

Peter Hammond is a Christian minister opposed to abortion in South Africa. He is also opposed to gambling and promotion of homosexuality (an issue TOM happened to address today). Hammond met with President Mandela after a protest march and this is his account of that meeting.



Here is the background of the Rivonia Trial (the trial that sent Nelson Mandela to prison for twenty six years).  Yes the ANC abandoned non violent opposition to armed struggle (including what could be deemed acts of terrorism). And yes, the South African government was harsh in dealing with the ANC. It is fair to say both sides have considerable blood on their hands.

Mandela and the ANC were supported by Communists (both from neighboring African countries and the Soviet block). Mandela was a man of the left and at a minimum was a Communist sympathizerThomas Sowell notes where he thinks Mandela came from ideologically. Hammond states he supported the Apartheid government of South Africa, not because he was a racist but because he opposed Communism. I was not a fan of Apartheid, there were serious civil rights abuses during that time, but it was not as bad as Communism. Not even close.

It is interesting in this account that the thing that seemed to really get Hammond into hot water with Nelson Mandela was not challenging him on Communism, but not jumping for the opportunity in having his photograph taken with Mandela. There is a reason vanity is the Devil's favorite sin.

Unlike RSM, Bob and Adjoran (and also Michael Haz) my appreciation of Nelson Mandela was how he transitioned his position as President and then stepping down after one term (without excusing or justifying the past acts or failed policies of the ANC). With all due respect to the Mandela skeptics, my views on Mandela are closer to this. That does not mean the skeptics are not right on many of their points. It is just counter productive (and wrong) not to acknowledge what good Mandela did. Because the good Mandela did was substantial and real.

This is what Mark Steyn had this to say about Nelson Mandela's legacy:
Well, he was a man of enormous grace and dignity. He spent three decades in jail for his political beliefs, and it would have been very easy, particularly once he’d become the champion of a global moment. There were hit pop songs called Free Nelson Mandela, there was a huge all-star rock gala at Wembley Stadium. He was, he became a poster child for the anti-Apartheid cause. And it would have been easy for him once he’d come out of jail to have been a bitter and a partisan and divisive figure. And he wasn’t. He was enormously generous in spirit given what the South African Apartheid state had done to him for the most productive decades of his life. And whatever the problems of South Africa currently, that period when he and F.W. De Klerk, his predecessor, the last Apartheid leader of South Africa, when they basically agreed to a genuine reconciliation, such as one rarely sees in Africa, I think that is his towering achievement.
While we should remember history accurately (because it is often grossly distorted), Mandela deserves kudos for that first term as President (without joining the left and low information media in making Mandela out to be a secular saint). It has hardly been all successful in South Africa since 1994, Desmond Tutu acknowledges South African society is now far more violent than it was under Apartheid. Education in South Africa is arguably worse since 1994. The danger is whether economic frustration will steer South Africa toward the disastrous course of further property redistribution, violent crime, corruption, and tribalism. That is the path Mugabe took with a disastrous outcome.

The only hope for South Africa going forward is embracing the good example that Mandela demonstrated when he served as President without forgetting his and others mistakes in that transition. The solution to the problems of the present is not rejecting things that were good in the recent past. Hey, even Singapore is experiencing economic frustration. But the worse way to deal with these challenges is to embrace victim-hood.  I do not discount these are perilous times, but I do appreciate what Nelson Mandela did as president of South Africa. RIP.

Update:
While it is appropriate to remember the good he did, is important not to go too far over the top with Mandela:
* President Obama is adopting the wrong things from President Mandela's legacy.
The focus on Mandela is contrasted by South Africa's current leaders (they are not anywhere near as good)
Lem links Barack Obama's comments at Nelson Mandela's funeral with Machiavelli political "facts." 
Wombat: Mandela looks great compared to other racist looting African leaders

Sunday, December 8, 2013

The Fedora Troika: Devil's Advocates for Saint Nelson Mandela

Nelson Mandela is dead. Africa's problems continue. The Other McCain did thisthis, this and this post on the subject. Rather than joining the chorus on how great Nelson Mandela was, Robert Stacy McCain cautioned looking critically at Mandela's past.

Saint Mandela, not so fast...
Some on the Left are having a religious experience!
Talking about "Saint Mandela": I cannot believe he actually said this.  Given the rush to canonize Saint Nelson Mandela, it only makes sense that a Devil's Advocate be engaged.  Update: Michael Haz at Lem's Learning Levity

So what is a Devil's Advocate you may ask (not everyone went to parochial school).  During the canonization process employed by the Roman Catholic Church, the Promoter of the Faith (Latin: promotor fidei), popularly known as the Devil's advocate (Latin: advocatus diaboli), was a canon lawyer appointed by Church authorities to argue against the canonization of a candidate. It was this person’s job to take a skeptical view of the candidate's character, to look for holes in the evidence, to argue that any miracles attributed to the candidate were fraudulent, and so on. The Devil's advocate opposed God's advocate (Latin: advocatus Dei; also known as the Promoter of the Cause), whose task was to make the argument in favor of canonization.

Now Nelson Mandela is not up as a Roman Catholic Saint (at least not yet) but the Secular Media have jump the Beautification process and are right now in the process of Canonizing Mandela.  I would not be surprised if Bono and Paul Simon are in the process of writing a requiem mass for him.  

For Mother Teresa the Vatican actually engaged gadfly and atheist Christopher Hitchens as her Devil's Advocate (seriously they did, although Hitchens claimed he represented the Devil pro bono).  For Nelson Mandela, to play the roll of Devil's Advocate, I would suggest the following professional skeptics (consider them Van Helsings for the truth):

Robert Stacy McCain:  Freelance Journalist, Streetwise Investigative Reporter, Blogger.  
If there is a new twist to this story, McCain will get it.  Also McCain, after facing the white tail deer challenge of Virginia and Maryland, want to try his hand at taking out springboks with a rental car.  

Bob Belvedere:  Raconteur, blogger, international gentleman of mystery, defender of Western Civilization, closest character we have to the Watchman's Rorschach.  Bob did thisthis, this, and this post on Mandela and his passing.  Bob is definitely not a Mandela fan.  The perfect skeptic.  Update: Mandela, Charming but he set is dogs upon us... (what did I tell you, perfect skeptic)

Adjoran:  Because it takes a Marx to investigate a Marxist
The Shoe Leather Fund has to go into overdrive to fund sending this investigative team off to South Africa (McCain will definitely need the supplemental insurance rider for the rental car).  And maybe after they are done their, they can stop off in Argentina.

And you ask, what is wrong with sainthood for Nelson Mandela? Well, if Nelson Mandela becomes a saint who could be next?
Just be glad he is not depicted walking on water...yet.  

Saturday, December 7, 2013

Thursday, December 5, 2013

Nelson Mandela RIP

RIP
Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, the father of the the unified South African nation, died on December 5 2013 at the age of 95.

For shepherding in a peaceful end of Apartheid in South Africa, Nelson Mandela deserves kudos. The transition could have been far worse in South Africa and Mr. Mandella was critical in preventing that occurring. However, I did both agree and disagree with him on economic and political issues. Overall, he was by far the best president South Africa could have had at that critical transition period.  

Update:
AoSHQ: Barack Obama has to inject himself into Mandela's life (well they do share some friends and sensibilities)

Gateway Pundit
Bono on Mandella 
The Blogmocracy
Financial Times on Mandella's economic legacy
Mandela was a Communist, but he transformed over time.
Lem's Learning Levity
Hot Air
WaPo: Mandela's use of moral highground and political savvy...
TOM:  Unspeakable attrocities...  Mandela was a man of the left...
Bob Belvedere/Camp of the Saints: Dead and still red...
Mandela arrived late to the fight against HIV/AIDS, losing his own son to the disease...
Mark Steyn on Mandela
Wombat (Live at Five Eight) on Mandela Death Flood of Emotions
JWF: Mandela dies, People start saying stupid things...
Lem's Learning Levity (via Chip Ahoy)
TOM:  Let's not forget how the Left viciously attacked Margaret Thatcher when she died...
AoSHQ: Chris Matthews, ever the Asshat
The Corner Deroy Murdock: RIP Mandela
The Corner Edtiors
American Power: Nice portraits...
Protein Wisdom: Just another day in Obamanation...
Patterico
TOM: Rape, Murder and HIV in South Africa
Kathy Shaidle at Pajama Media
Bob Belvedere did thisthis, and this post on Mandela and his passing.
NYT: Criticism of Mandela?
TOM: Grabbing the other end of the rope.
Legal Insurrection: Nelson Mandela
Bob Belevedere: Remembering Mandela, Charming but he set his dogs upon us...
Michael Haz at Lem's Learning Levity


The Fedora Troika